[Oz-gifted] Ability grouping

[Kristy]

Would love to discuss it further, its why I put it to this list. I am sure 
there are others with a lot more experience here. Anything that might 
benefit kids is a good thing even if it is just a discussion.

Kristy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tony nolan" <t.nolan at uts.edu.au>
To: <oz-gifted at rite.ed.qut.edu.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Oz-gifted] Ability grouping


>
> I dont disagree with your reasoning, and I think that both systems could 
> work, I was wondering if there is a way to combine them, to have a mixture 
> of both.
>
> Do you mind if I take this idea to the Federal Minister of Education, 
> Policy Committee meeting as a suggestion for debate, and if so, would you 
> like to flesh out the idea a little more ?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> At 02:37 PM 23/11/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>>Thanks Tony,
>>I understand that age grouping is the easiest way to group kids. I can 
>>also see how one of the largest obstacles to ability grouping would be the 
>>parents, especially those who feel their kids are a lot more talented than 
>>they actually are. But in the long term I can see that ability grouping 
>>could be beneficial. On the flip side I can also see it could cause 
>>problems.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Kristy
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "tony nolan" <t.nolan at uts.edu.au>
>>To: <oz-gifted at rite.ed.qut.edu.au>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Oz-gifted] Ability grouping
>>
>>
>>>
>>>G'day Kristy,
>>>
>>>I remember this from Teachers College but it was an answer a long time 
>>>ago to a slightly different question.
>>>
>>>Thus it went,
>>>
>>>That age classification and grouping is the most objective way to group 
>>>students, with very little subjectivity about which classification to be 
>>>inserted into, once the classification has already been established. It 
>>>was a fast way of grouping without argument or confrontation, where every 
>>>body knows the boundaries, etc.
>>>
>>>The other reason i heard about was because of size / physical ability / 
>>>emotional ability of the child when involved with its peers in the class 
>>>room. It appeared that the main reason for the classification was not so 
>>>much about learning ability, but more about Risk Reduction in the class 
>>>room.
>>>
>>>I think the age system has been in for a very very long time, and that 
>>>these days we also use learning ability, learning disability, and even 
>>>nationality, culture / religion to sort out classrooms. I guess this is 
>>>because that the original schools were set up with a very limited variety 
>>>or range of students considered, as schools were usually in towns, or 
>>>villages, etc.
>>>
>>>Anyway, this is what i remembered as to why Age was used as the basic 
>>>classification system for students.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
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