[Oz-gifted] Re: oz-gifted Digest, RE: Ability grouping (Kristy)

[Alison Miller]

I have worked with special Ed students continuously for 5-8 years and rarely
are they picked on in the right school............what do you do with
others, like my dds, that test at **both ends ie have unattainable full
scale scores due to subtests all over the shop!
alison

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deidree McMaster" <dmcmaster at au.mensa.org>
To: <oz-gifted at rite.ed.qut.edu.au>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: [Oz-gifted] Re: oz-gifted Digest, RE: Ability grouping (Kristy)


> On 28/11/2005, at 1:01 PM, oz-gifted-request at rite.ed.qut.edu.au wrote:
>
> > I have worked as a social educator with the challenge foundation, and
> > with
> > my time there working with 30 mentally disabled persons, only 1 of
> > them was
> > ever "Brutish".
>
> I think the person who used the word was thinking more along the lines
> of football players who use physical force, not necessarily low IQ:  it
> seems to have more to do with his perceptions of life.
>
> > Conversely, when you do a search on Mean IQ on criminals, you find
> > references like the one below. Interestingly, I remember reading a
> > study or
> > theory that the mean IQ of prisons was higher than the mean IQ of the
> > general public. But i cant find a link to it again as yet.
>
> Interestingly, in Mensa we often get mail from psychiatrists asking for
> entrance requirements for inmates who test highly.  It DOES seem true
> that the higher the intelligence, the more 'difference' is felt, the
> more likely that depression may ensue and the subsequent
> self-medication may lead to anti-social or criminal behaviour.  I think
> it's about time that we started seeing drug and alcohol abuse as health
> problems, rather than punishing them with jail terms.
>
> > Many of the mentally disabled and/ or lower IQ people I know are soft
> > and
> > loving and considerate of others, as are many of the High IQ people I
> > know.
> > I also know people who are stressed and cant cope, know  fear and bully
> > others around, and these too follow a cross section of the community in
> > general.
>
> Exactly.
>
> >
> > I sincerely hope that our society never gets to the stage where a
> > persons
> > possible behavior is ever determined by an IQ score.
>
> It does seem to be true that children who are different are picked on
> at school:  the differences can be minor and barely perceptible to
> outsiders, but the result is that many bright children, without
> adequate emotional support at home or school, may 'dumb down', drop
> out, and become social problems.
> I'd say that my life followed that scenario:  and one thing that
> redeemed me was passing the Mensa test: of course, it also depressed
> me:  I felt I'd wasted half my life not reaching my full potential!
>
> Many people think that Mensa is for high achievers:  it's not.  It's an
> international social group, and has a wide mix of people and
> personalities.
>
> Deidree apologising again for being out of order.
>
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